Story behind the story: That time I interviewed Willie Nelson on his tour bus

By Ricardo Baca, Grasslands

In October 2016, my producer and I set off to San Diego, Calif., with one goal in mind: To capture the most complete history on record of Willie Nelson and his famed relationship with cannabis and hemp.

The result of that trip: This fun and expansive interview with Willie, including a short video of he and I talking on his tour bus, the Honeysuckle Rose.

The prep for that interview was daunting. As some of you know, I was the music critic for The Denver Post for more than a dozen years, but in that time I never secured facetime with the red-headed stranger. So as I began to cull questions for my time with Willie — some of which were crowd-sourced via friends on social media — I had to make a decision.

Was I staying true to my mission and only asking him about marijuana, even though Willie is one of America’s most important songwriting treasures? Or would I cave and throw a couple music questions in there?

I’ll always remember the look on Willie’s face when I started the interview by telling him I wasn’t going to ask him about his music. I could tell he thought it was a bold decision, but his alert eyes also seemed to encourage my prying questions about his personal cannabis history.

Read the full story, and watch the video, at The Cannabist.

Growing pains: Why most of California’s cannabis industry isn’t ready to go legal

By Ricardo Baca, Grasslands

Thinking back to October 2016, the world knew California voters would say yes to recreational cannabis, a.k.a. Proposition 64, because nearly every single legitimate poll pointed to the measure passing.

While there were eight other legalization measures on state ballots that November, California’s was the biggest of the lot — because of the state’s rich history with marijuana, because of the state’s status as America’s first medical cannabis market, because the state is the most populous in the U.S. and home to one of the largest economies (cannabis or non-cannabis) in the world.

And so I planned three trips to California in the two months leading up to the vote. I wanted to understand the proponents and the opposition, from the 420-friendly Emerald Triangle in the north to the 420-forgotten San Diego in the south. And the most surprising take-away from those three trips: Holy cow, most of these nice folks have no idea what is about to hit them.

I couldn’t help but feel like a prude as I spoke with so many of these business owners. Here I was, coming from the oldest regulated cannabis market in the world: Colorado. And here they were, in the true Wild West, in a land where a vastly unregulated medical marijuana economy allowed growers and their partners to easily (and illegally) ship their massive harvests to prohibitionist states where the paydays dwarfed anything local dispensaries would pay.

Even now as California regulators are writing regulations for the state’s medical and retail markets, it’s still illegal to traffic cannabis across state lines. Yet when I spoke to some of these growers, they talked about adhering to the new laws and regulations — while still admitting that a majority of their harvest would still land in Texas and Michigan. When I asked Lincoln Fish, CEO of OutCo Labs and the man behind one of San Diego County’s licensed dispensaries, about some of his colleagues’ unpreparedness, he understood exactly what I’d been seeing.

“They are just terrified that their black market/gray market businesses are going to suffer,” Fish said. “They’re either terrified that it’s going away because they’ve made a lot of money not doing things by the rules for a long time, or they’re worried about the government coming in and getting involved.

“I know lots of players who don’t pay their taxes and so forth. And they’ve made a lot of money and done very well for themselves and they’re used to it and it hasn’t been that much trouble for them with law enforcement and so forth.

“But rules change everything.”

Rules and regulations do change everything, but that’s not to say all California businesses are doomed to fail. For the farms and shops and producers and artisans who see what’s coming and are prepared to adhere to the new world order of legal cannabis, there is a massive marketplace to serve — nearly 40 million California residents. It’s a substantial jump from unregulated mania to hyper-regulated adherence, but it’s also the cost of doing business in a post-Prop 64 world.

If your business is contemplating that leap into the professional marketplace and wants to talk it out with somebody who has been there, reach out. We can talk about the regulations you should be expecting, the commercialization that awaits the California market and a whole lot more.

Read my full report from California at The Cannabist — and check out As California Goes, producer Vince Chandler’s short film (written and produced by yours truly), while you’re there.

Meet Grasslands president Ricardo Baca: Toronto, Latvia, Amsterdam, Denver, etc.

By Grasslands Staff

Grasslands president Ricardo Baca will be speaking at these festivals, conferences and events in 2017. Contact Ricardo now to connect if your paths are crossing — or to set up a call to discuss your business’ strategy.

High Times Business Summit: January 19 — Los Angeles, California

Winter, a Mason Jar Dinner: January 26 — Boulder, Colorado

South by Southwest: March 15 — Austin, Texas

Nightclub & Bar Convention: March 28 — Las Vegas, Nevada

The Cannabist’s 420 Week Kickoff Party: April 14 — Denver, Colorado

Lift Expo: May 27 — Toronto, Ontario

Madd City: June 1 — Riga, Latvia

Cannabis Liberation Day: June 11 — Amsterdam, Netherlands